ORIENTAL RYTHM WRITING/SCORING

[Aussie^Tamburas]

Gday peoples,
I was wondering if anyone can help me. I am trying to write a rythm in encore I beleive its called SASA not sure. Gypsies use this rythm alot. Don't know what time signature its in etc. Want to write the rythm for kontra and berda. I can play it no problem but to note it different story.

You will find it in songs like Tamburalo momce, Kud putuje Selman Aga, intro of u stambolu kraj bosporu and A ja sam negdje rujno vino pijo -Tozovac.

I am pulling my hair out if anyone can help me greatly appreciated.

If I need to send the mp3s mentioned I will.

thanks again
ajde bog

PS a rythm section in tamburalicks should be added.

ciao

[horsovec]

Aussie,

Not really oriental per se. However, it's much easier than you think. Time signature is 4/4, or 8/8 if you like. The rhythm is played over the standard 4/4 count. Noting it is not difficult, just count it out over the 4/4 measure - use notes and rests as appropriate. (For instance - in Tamburalo momce, the first measure of 4/4 lasts for about the first 3 seconds of the song). Let me know if you have further questions.

[Aussie^Tamburas]

I think I know what you mean but I would love to get a score of the 1st 8 bars or even just one bar just to see how to write it.

Show me how it looks in encore

I am sending u an mp3 to ur email so u get an idea of rythm

thanks dude.

[Aussie^Tamburas]

Also whats that rythm called?????

[jaygriz]

Aussie,

I would write all of those tunes in 4/4. There is an accent on the "and" of beat 2, but the rhythm is not "irregular." I call this beat generically "tango." I'm sure a tango connoisseur would scoff at the generalization. Tozovac wrote and recorded many songs with that beat. Gypsy tunes like Djelem Djelem fit that mold too.

That's the simple answer.

On another note, I have heard some world-beat concious artists infuse Middle Eastern/N. African drum patterns into songs, as Safet Isovic does in this fresh take on U Stambolu Na Bosforu (http://www.bosnaprkosnaodsna.mine.nu/Safet-Isovic/u_stambolu_na_bosforu.mp3). Some of these patterns are more than one 4/4 measure in length; however, 4/4 still holds water as a way to write it in western notation.

Some Middle East rhythms I've heard used in modern Bosnian music include:

Chifftatelli 8/4 (You can still write it in 4/4.)
Beladi 4/4
etc.

Check out this site for explanations and precise Doumbek transcriptions of these and other rhythms.
Mas'uds Rhythm Guide (http://www.blackroot.org/drumming/Guide0.html)

Sasa (written most often in 2/4 or sometimes in 4/4) describes a beat where both halves of the measure are identical. It's a simple beat usually carried by a snare drum or doumbek.

Examples of Sasa are:

Dusko Kulis - O Cigani
Gazde - Ja Pijem Da Zaboravim

[frenchyz]

Jaygriz - this is the first time I have heard anything by Safet Isovic. Very interesting for sure. I will do more research on him. Thanks for posting!

[Aussie^Tamburas]

Thanks for the tips dudes and dudette's hehe
Yeah figured it out all good. There was a problem with my music program. Thats why I couldn't get it to sound proper.

Do other people agree with me that we should have a rythm section explaining rythms in various songs and how they are written for kontra(bug) and berda(bas)in tamburalicks???

[Djuroslav]

To borrow a famous line from an equally famous movie, Aussie...

... Rhythm players (bass & bugarija) "don't need no stinkin' written music"!! :cool:

[ThE pHaNtOm]

Hey Frenchyz I cannot believe that you never heard of Safet Isovic! He is if not the most notorious singer from Bosna one of the most popular ever. You really need to get some of his stuff.

Pm me your email address and I will email 2 mp3s that will amaze you.

[frenchyz]

Phantom - as requested! Thanks!