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perica
08-07-2007, 04:01 PM
Hey,
A while back, I remember reading a thread from someone that
wanted a chord chart for the E Kontra. He also made some reference
to needing major, minor, minor 6ths, etc.
If you're playing in a group with 5, 6, or more members, don't
worry too much about hitting all those exotic chords. With a little
orchestration, let the brac or celo add the notes needed to make
the chord complete.
Perica
Tominellay
08-07-2007, 04:40 PM
...thinking Pavle spent his best years learning 200 chords, when he could've just hired another guy...
The Curious Tamburas
08-08-2007, 12:45 AM
Major, minor, minor 6ths - quite exotic.
Don't get Mac and Klu started on 11th chords or you'll need 2 bugarijas - oh, no.
Don't forget the minor 7ths!!
perica
08-08-2007, 07:03 AM
Mac,
7007 to be exact.
Perica
Ok Perica,
I must admit, I don't know what 7007 is. ( modern day James Bond? an airplane? 2 pair? LOL) I think it has to do with my minor 7th comment. Is that a different way to identify it?
perica
08-08-2007, 11:14 AM
Mac,
Sorry about that. That's how many chords there are.
Perica
WOW!! That I didn't know!! Thank you Perica!! I wonder if there is a list of them some where? It would be interesting to see some of them!
perica
08-08-2007, 11:38 AM
Mac,
Fmaj13#11.....F major 13th, augmented 11th. F-A-D-G-B-E.
Perica
The Curious Tamburas
08-08-2007, 01:26 PM
Well,
At this rate Perica will overtake the posting lead from the likes of Djuro, Leno, JKA, etc.
perica
08-08-2007, 01:34 PM
TCT,
It's not quantity, it's quality.
Perica
perica
08-08-2007, 03:01 PM
Hey Mac,
You wanna hear some chords? Bireli Lagrene's "Gypsy Project"
Will make a bishop kick out a stained glass window.
Perica
perica,
I'd love to check out Bireli Lagrene's "Gypsy Project"!! Where can I find it?
I found this on youtube!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC6wQdhjE1I
Good stuff!! That's what I'm talking about!!! I can listen to that all day long!!! That guitar player is awesome!!
perica
08-09-2007, 08:22 AM
Hey,
Getting back on the original subject. When you hear a symphony
orchestra play a selection, everone is part of the entire musical
structure. If you heard each individual part seperately, you wouldn't
even be able to recognize the piece. When you put it all together,
you have the complete picture. It's called orchestration.
Perica
Hrvoje
08-09-2007, 09:44 AM
Hey,
Getting back on the original subject. When you hear a symphony
orchestra play a selection, everone is part of the entire musical
structure. If you heard each individual part seperately, you wouldn't
even be able to recognize the piece. When you put it all together,
you have the complete picture. It's called orchestration.
Perica
Is this some kind of a joke?! Do you honestly think that people on this forum don't have a clue about orchestration and that they need you to "teach" them? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
perica
08-09-2007, 09:58 AM
Hrvoje,
No, this was not meant as a joke. I'm not teaching anyone. There are
some Tamburasi out there that know it all. There are some that don't.
I've been playing music for 45 years. I'm not the best, but I do OK.
When I was 26 years old, I wish that there was a forum like this
where I could have gotten musical tips. There wasn't, and I had to
learn the hard way. So when I offer advise on a subject, it's not to
brag, it's to possibly help someone out. If you don't need the advise,
don't take it.
Perica
Hrvoje
08-09-2007, 10:11 AM
Hrvoje,
No, this was not meant as a joke. I'm not teaching anyone. There are
some Tamburasi out there that know it all. There are some that don't.
I've been playing music for 45 years. I'm not the best, but I do OK.
When I was 26 years old, I wish that there was a forum like this
where I could have gotten musical tips. There wasn't, and I had to
learn the hard way. So when I offer advise on a subject, it's not to
brag, it's to possibly help someone out. If you don't need the advise,
don't take it.
Perica
Ok, fair enough. I have a little adviCe for you - it's spelled with a C... ;) I'm not teaching anyone, there are some Tamburasi out there who know how to spell, there are some who don't... ;) NHF, mate... :D
perica
08-09-2007, 10:17 AM
Hrvoje,
You're kranky in the morning.
Perica
Hrvoje
08-09-2007, 10:30 AM
It's 3:19 PM here in Croatia... But, yeah, I'm kinda cranky when it comes to spelling... In Croatian and English (and Czech). I hate when people make stupid spelling mistakes like writing CD's instead CDs...
But that's off-topic.
Let's get back to kontra chords, orchestration and stuff. I have an e-book by Zlatoje Pajcic (http://www.tamburitzapublications.com/) with more than 1300 chords for kontra (they're not all different chords, e.g. he has about eight ways to play a major chord with it's different inversions)...
The chords in the book are e.g. for C:
C (major)
C5
C(5#)
C(5b)
C6
C6sus2
C6sus4
C7
C7(5#)
C7(5b)
C7(sus2)
C7(sus4)
Cadd9
Cadd9b
Cdim
Cdim7
Cm
Cm6
Cm7
Cm7(5b)
Cmadd9
Cmaj7
Cmaj7(5#)
Cmaj7(5b)
Cmaj7sus2
Cmaj7sus4
Cmmaj7
Csus2
Csus4
I've used the naming of the chords Mr Pajcic uses in his book.
perica
08-09-2007, 10:35 AM
Hrvoje,
Which one goes in Ja Sam Sirota?
Perica
Hrvoje
08-09-2007, 10:47 AM
If you're trying to make a not-so-subtle remark about the uselesness of playing any chord on the kontra that is not a major, minor, major7th, diminished and minor because they are rarely used in folk and tambura music I would like to stress the variety of music which is played on tambura (especially newer stuff written for tambura orchestras by the likes of Sinisa Leopold, Tomislav Uhlik etc.) and that include a lot of chords not traditionally used in tambura music.
Maybe it's just me, but I like to make the most out of my kontra... Which includes learning how to play more than just the standard chords...
EDIT: Here's a nice little kontra riff (I messed up the Am7->Am6 transition, but pretend that you don't hear that :D)... With a little help of Guitar Rig 2 (guitar amp software). http://web.vip.hr/h.ban.vip/longtrain.mp3
Looks like, sounds like somone struck a chord!!!
perica
08-09-2007, 11:59 AM
Hrvoje,
Ouch! That made my head hurt. And I don't like being the target of
your paranoiac accusations.
your pal,
Perica
Hrvoje
08-09-2007, 01:16 PM
Ok, I apologize for my alleged misinterpretation of your post:
Hrvoje,
Which one goes in Ja Sam Sirota?
Perica
And I'm politely asking if you can explain what is the real meaning of this post (aside from the apparent question which is rhetorical, I presume)... I dont anderstend English good :D Tenkju
perica
08-09-2007, 02:10 PM
Hrvoje,
You were right about the rhetorical question. Some of us play
900 songs with 3 chords, some of us play 3 songs with 900 chords.
I play very few newer numbers.(a lot written by some guy named
Narodna) The people I play for like these traditional tunes played
the traditional way. Many Tamburasi pay more attention to what
they want to play, rather than what the people want to hear.
We all have a problem in this area. Maybe this is why, according
to many of us, the popularity of Tamburica music is diminishing.
Perica
Hrvoje
08-09-2007, 02:42 PM
Many Tamburasi pay more attention to what
they want to play, rather than what the people want to hear.
You make this sound like it's a bad thing... :D
Tominellay
08-09-2007, 02:46 PM
Hrvoje,
English is hard.
Rocks are hard.
English and rocks are hard.
Djuroslav
08-09-2007, 02:54 PM
Now let's see you try to translate the meaning of THAT, Hrvoje... ;)
Sometimes candy is hard too!!
Oh!! Sometimes those fancy chords are hard!!!
perica
08-09-2007, 03:02 PM
Hrvoje,
Popular music=fanbase, jobs, crowds, novac.
How's your math?
Perica
P.s. I heard your band, and you guys do a nice job. There's room for all of us.
Hrvoje
08-09-2007, 03:07 PM
Hrvoje,
Popular music=fanbase, jobs, crowds, novac.
How's your math?
Perica
P.s. I heard your band, and you guys do a nice job. There's room for all of us.
If I was into popular music I wouldn't be playing tambura... :D It ain't all that popular around here. If I wanted a lot of gigs and money I would be playing narodnjaci... :rolleyes: If I wanted crowds I would try to get into Thompson's supporting band... :D And I have a job, a real job. Tambura playing is my hobby...
Thanks for the comment about my band.
George Medakovich
08-09-2007, 04:30 PM
Many years ago I got into a stupid argument with some fellow tamburica
guys who insisted that the 3-tone bugarija was inferior because it couldn't
play a full (i.e. 4-tone) chord. And they were music majors!
It all works, somehow.
perica
08-10-2007, 12:13 AM
Hrvoje,
I have a real job. Tambura has always and always will be my life.
When I was young, I had the extreme luxury of playing with "old
timers". I learned many things from them. Then, as time goes on,
all of a sudden, the old timers are gone. Now, you realize that you
are now an "old timer". I would find it highly disloyal if I did not afford
the younger tamburasi my little bit of Tambura Knowledge. When I was
young, I thought I knew it all. The older I get, the less I realize the
less I know.
Can I get a witness?
Your Licani pal,
Perica
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